Dr. Dirk V. Seeling had the opportunity to speak to an important US contact on the fringes of a conference of four medical associations (see below) for courageous, politically and legally persecuted doctors in Germany. Leland Lehrman from the US (https://about.me/lelandlehrman) is an entrepreneur and has been advocating for change at the intersection of environmental, social and investment policy long before his role as Executive Manager of the MAHA ("Make America Healthy Again") movement of now US Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He does not mince his words and does not shy away from topics that are often hastily labeled as "conspiracy theories", but which have sufficient evidence. He also has positive things to say about the Germans. The story is often a fairy tale and the truth is usually different from what is told.